Welcome to my listings on Bonanza! I’m yet another refugee from the other site, you know, the one I can’t mention by name because I’m too afraid of getting a “cease and desist” letter from their legal department. Yes, THAT website. I do NOT make obscene profit on shipping handling. If I overcharge it is only for the sake of convenience in listing; you only pay the actual shipping and any balance is refunded to you. That said, I’ve been selling a long time and I pride myself on being the most honest seller on the web. I bend over backwards to provide excellent photos, short but concise descriptions and measurements when there is no manufacturer’s size/spec tag. Having said that, I do not provide additional measurements or photos because in my many years of selling I learned that people almost never purchase the item! Sorry, but I have to do what is in my best interest and that means saving time, MY time. If there is a maker’s flaw, rip, tear, stain, bald spot or otherwise damage worth showing, then I’ll show it in the photos and/or mention it in the Item Title or Item Description. Cat fur included at no extra charge. That means that I have two cats in my house and I let them sleep on any damned thing that they want to, including my merchandise as I photograph it for listing. I do not smoke and neither do my cats. ************************************************ Went to Camp Ramah in Ojai three summers as a camper, 1977-1979 and then two summers 1982-1983 as a staff person which is when these shorts date from. "Made Aliyah" in 1985 and wore these when jogging around the kibbuts and in the army, 1986-1988. The numbers ironed on the inside of the waistband are the kibbuts laundry numbers. I'm shocked this thing is not full of holes and the waistband still has a lot of elasticity left. Laid flat: 13 inches end to end, ergo a size 26 waist at the minimum. Laid flat: stretched out: 18 inches; ergo a size 36 at the maximum. Price includes domestic shipping.